We will drown and nobody shall save us
Good luck with that.
Zimmerman went to sleep one day and woke up to find out he's a giant white cockroach.A.S.
Being white is a necessary but not sufficient condition for nationalism.
Nationalism has shown to be unable to survive state disapproval.
Nothing survives state disapproval that the state disapproves of. I'm working on that.
False. See: heroin, encryption, gold, religion and "unconscious racism".
Plenty of things survive state disapproval. Nationalism is not one of them. It can only exist as a dominant ideology, never a subversive ideology without some major state power behind it.
Not to mention that nationalism has historically stood towards genuine organic and historical communities, identities, traditions, and institutions in a relation very similar to that in which the liberal globalism nowadays stands towards any particular identities (nationalist or otherwise).
Nationalism has been shown to be unable to survive *popular* disapproval after two hugely destructive world wars. When reality shows the alternative to be much, much worse then popular opinion will shift back - it already would have if the media didn't censor the news. The only question is whether it will be too late or not.
I find the very concept of popular disapproval very hard to believe. If you pushed the megaphones hard enough you could have made the people enlist for WW3 in 1950.
Sure, it wasn't universal but there was a distinct anti-nationalist reaction among significant chunks of the white population after WWI which merged with more specifically racial aspects after WWII. The promoters of the EU use this "nationalism is dangerous" line all the time and it works because it's true - nationalism is so dangerous because nationalism creates immense amounts of synergy.
I don't think that anti-nationalist reaction caused what has happened since i think it provided the seed-bed for the cultural marxists and globalists to do their thing - like a cut in the skin.
It is true, but it works because they understand Goebbels, not because it's true.
You're describing how the elite came to be anti-nationalist, not the people. The people just follow.
FWIW there's plenty of rabid, irredentist nationalism in Europe, but today it's restricted to regionalist movements. Padania, Catalonia, etc. Somehow the people there didn't get the memo that nationalism is dangerous.
"You’re describing how the elite came to be anti-nationalist, not the people. The people just follow."
The gowth of the Communist party after WWI was part of the anti-nationalist reaction.
"FWIW there’s plenty of rabid, irredentist nationalism in Europe, but today it’s restricted to regionalist movements. Padania, Catalonia, etc. Somehow the people there didn’t get the memo that nationalism is dangerous."
There's plenty of irredentist nationalism in the larger states as well but it's more suppressed. Regional nationalism is more tolerated by the left-liberal hegemony because it is anti-nationalist on a larger scale i.e. they are less hostile to Breton nationalism than French nationalism because Breton nationalism undermines French nationalism so i'd say the only difference in regional nationalism is the balance between the forces, pro and con - which is also why some of the regional nationalisms are partly left-wing movements.
Surely Yugoslavia? Nationalism seemed alive and kicking by 1992.
Only to disolve themselves without a fight by joining the EU. Funny how that works.
Whites are a minority of the Trayvon Martin protestors and supporters. The majority of the protestors and supporters are black, with some Hispanics and whites.
Whites overwhelmingly believe Zimmerman is innocent:
Aside from media elites and brainwashed status whoring urban SWPLs, white people have been much more reasonable than black people with regard to this story. After all, a jury of five white women and one hispanic had the courage to vote not guilty. Would Z be free if there had been five black women on the jury? His chances would be a whole lot worse.
I can't find a recent poll, but the Gallup Poll from April 2012 showed that only 10 percent of whites saw Zimmerman as definitely guilty, while 51 percent of blacks saw him as definitely guilty. An additional 20% of both racial groups said that he was "probably guilty".
This poll was conducted during the media hype but before the trial where it became apparent that the state had no case and that Z could not reasonably be found guilty. What would those numbers be today? Let's hope they conduct a follow up poll.
My impression is that white attitudes would remain vastly, vastly more reasonable than black attitudes on this issue. My impression is that even a significant percentage of white democrats either know what is going on or could be made to understand what is going on, if they were forced to actually watch the trial.
If anything this case seems to highlight the need for separation from black people. At this point I don't think that I could get fair justice from a black jury
p.s. Rachel Jeantel exists.
And that is just about all that she does, exist.
My impression is that white attitudes would remain vastly, vastly more reasonable than black attitudes on this issue.
That's not saying much, is it?
If anything this case seems to highlight the need for separation from black people. At this point I don’t think that I could get fair justice from a black jury
The fact that you just noticed this after living some decades in this earth says a lot.
I was aware of it before, but I live far away from black people and I try not to think about them.
It wasn't a dawning realization that I'd never get a fair trial, but a horrifying reminder that I'd never get a fair trial.
Observe that each sign is supposedly of a different organization, but all signs were obviously made by the same equipment and made in the same style, thus in fact made by a single artist.
This is characteristic of organized entryism and astroturf - each of those organizations will be found to have the same postal address, probably the Justice Department, and these whites are probably direct full time employees of the organizations located at that address.
In short. Totally Fake. The state speaks, and calls itself the people.
No justice, no peace! -USG
If this is not the foretelling of the West, I don't know what is. Fast forward thirty years, Our laws in practice will follows the balkanization of the country. The major tribes will draw up boundaries that the others may not cross. Just like they did in Prison. The government will be subverted by those who has the most numbers working for it, the same people who survive only due to transfer of payment from the productive to the leech. The media subverts the will of the people to tell the narrative that the ones in charge wanted to tell. The government, using the unlimited tax payer money, subverts the will of the people by infiltrating the people, no doubt using the mechanisms laid out by our esteemed Mr. Snowden. By the time this whole thing runs it course, we are talking about Brazil will nuclear weapons and the biggest military in the world.
I am not a religious person at all, but I pray for my kids and the world that they will live in.
Balkanization would be an improvement. The government won't allow it though. They'll force you to mingle and when crime happens they will blame and prosecute the victim.
Brazilians are quite segregated regionally. That's why it kinda works.
When I say balkanization, I wasn't just referring to physical boundaries. In the office, in public places, you treat one group of people very different from the other. The physical boundaries also need not be contiguous. e.g., In the prosperous Bay Area, you have East Palo Alto and Oakland, both fairly desirable locations that are currently cesspools. If you live in these two areas, you will follow different rules compared to the rest of the Bay Area. Diddo New Orleans and Detroit. My wife and I went to Watts in L.A. a few years back. After a full ten years of the L.A. riot, the whole neighborhood still has many boarded up store fronts. After the Koreans left, no one wanted to go in there to set up shops anymore.
The problem is demographics. The Serbians in Kosovo surely were annoyed when the first Albanians moved in, but then again they still had their own neighborhoods. Fast forward 2008...
Agreed. Demographics is why I said things will look much worse in thirty years.
The Serbians would have won without USG intervention.
And whites would win in the US without USG intervention against them. Alas...
White co-operation is required for USG to be effective.
You'd have to go back to the Greeks (or something) to find a point made this well. Awesome.
I can't support white supremacy because it's the white elites that are foisting Jews and blacks on middle and lower class whites. The elites need to be removed from power, not converted.
Zimmerman would appear to be no more white than the pResident.
Do you consider WN to be undesirable, or unfeasible?
For what reasons? Nearly every non-white country is a racial nationalist country, from Israel to Japan. Racial nationalism is natural. Massive resistance and tricky obstacles to a movement doesn't mean they're insurmountable.
It is always a state led movement. Absent active state support nationalism just fizzles. Even Japanese nationalism. Take my word on it, I know.
The solution: supplant the state.
Good luck with that.
Perhaps I should just dance the minuet in my periwig, abhor the masses, and read mouldering books of Victorian political theory.
Meanwhile, the left marches on.
You know, vitalism and hero worship are also old as sin. Also not very effective. If you have a good idea which is not "be awesome" I'm all ears.
Work towards becoming rich and powerful. Go find a skill that is in demand, and become very good at it. Network with like minded people (and those who aren't, if they're useful towards the end goal). Read Machiavelli (who advises the prince to have a role model - is that hero worship?) and Thucydides.
I'll be the first to ask for money if you become rich and powerful. かお